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| Mr. Edd E. Bivin [2556] FT WORTH, TX Initial Breed: Pomeranian Judge (etc.) Rating System: (instructions) This judge has been rated by 127 members
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| Date | Rtg | Display Name | Breed(s) | |||||
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| Jun 12, 2019 | Jennifer Jones | Papillon | ||||||
| I will drive extra distances to show to Mr Biven. We don’t have local handling classes so his free coaching in the ring is very helpful. And I love a judge who’ll let you know what he’s looking for or why he’s not awarding your dog or placed him the way he did. I don’t mind that his advice is abrasive, he’s only allowed 2 minutes to evaluate, which doesn’t leave much time for sugar coating things. | ||||||||
| May 31, 2018 | 4 | Von Wolff | Dachshunds | |||||
| I always give this judge an entry, as I believe he REALLY knows what a good hound is. That being said, sure wish I had scraped my dogs teethe just prior to going in the ring! He said they were "dirty", well...not terrible, but I admit I missed the bit of tartar that had built up there! I think if I had cleaned her teeth, my in-size Open Mini Blk/Tan Dapple bitch would've gone WB for the major! He said "2 nice exhibits" as he gave the win to the other Open bitch. I'll know next time! Now, I remember his wife being a tooth fairy...so must be something he is keen on too. | ||||||||
| Sep 5, 2016 | 4 | Houndawg | non-sporting | |||||
| This is a very pleasant judge with a definate idea what he wants and what he will allow in his ring. He excused by dog for backing up on the table and said he would rather excuse than push the dog and cause more emotional damage. I found that very nice and considerate of my dog. He will also instruct you as to what you are doing wrong or what he is looking for after placement are given. He is definately a front and movement person. I look forward to showing under him again. | ||||||||
| May 24, 2016 | 1 | Warning | ||||||
| I would never ever let my kid show to him. I saw him yell at a little kid over running with a toy. Everyone that shows toys knows with him you do not run but this poor little kid didn't know. He brought the kid to the middle of the ring and have the kid a stern talking to. The kid outside the ring was sobbing. He will yell at adults too for running so DO NOT RUN WITH A TOY! Also he dismissed a friends dog for slightly backing up when he came to examine the dog. Also watch before you show to him as he has a different procedure on the table. | ||||||||
| May 11, 2016 | Anonymous | |||||||
| I watched this man put up a dog one day then the following day stand up ringside as the same dog he had awarded the previous day was being shown. Good on the Canadian judge for ignoring it and making her own picks. | ||||||||
| Sep 21, 2015 | 4 | Toy Fancier | Toy Breeds | Expert! | ||||
| I have shown to this judge several times and am aware of some of his quirks so am prepared upon entering the ring. IF you can observe him before you have to show to him it helps, because as we all fondly joke, will it be the good Edd or the bad Edd. On this occasion it was the good Edd, and he was talkative, and very informative with instructions and encouragement. He wants a dog well presented and moved correctly (or you will be chastised), and I believe movement is his main factor in toy breeds at least. I will always give him an entry, but I am also aware that you have to LISTEN to him and do what he says. | ||||||||
| Feb 15, 2015 | 4 | Toy Fancier | Various Toy Breeds | Expert! | ||||
| We have shown to him many times and will continue to show to him. He was very clear that you DO NOT run with a toy breed. He knows exactly what he is looking for and will pick just that. He also does not award Grand points if he does not feel the dogs are worthy. When asked politely by one exhibitor, why, he took the time to explain why, and he appreciated that exhibitor asking and listening to his reasons, and accepting them. He picks good dogs. Full disclosure, we were BOB from Veterans, and it was our male special that he witheld Grand points. | ||||||||
| Dec 17, 2014 | 5 | Darlene Brabant | toy poodle | |||||
| I find it disturbing all the navitve comments the person posting them never uses their name . I feel if you have something to say postive or navitve use your really name and stop being a coward or keep your thoughts to your self | ||||||||
| Oct 14, 2014 | 5 | Owner Handler | Terriers | Expert! | ||||
| Mr. Bivin took the time to tell me my Special was very pretty when judging Breed. The following day he gave him a G4 in a very large and competitive Terrier Group, the weekend before Montgomery. He took the time to talk to me about my dog and ask questions about puppies he had sired. I do believe he is looking for the typey dog who is sound. I will show to him again. | ||||||||
| Sep 27, 2014 | 5 | Darlene Brabant | Toy Poodles | |||||
| I like this judge he calls it how he sees it , if you don't want the truth then stay out of his ring he loves a pretty head and movement and carriage , he will withhold points if need be , as a great judge should do if the correctness is not there, He can be a little rough but honest would show under him any day of the week | ||||||||
| Apr 25, 2014 | 4 | Toy Fancier | Italian Greyhounds | Expert! | ||||
| Now I like Edd, he does what he wants, and he is a good judge. He was nice, had a sense of humor, offered advice and even took the time to talk to and work with a sensitive puppy outside the ring. We were the single entry in our breed, so were BOB, but my special really DID NOT deserve it as she was being a total hag (in full standing season)!!!! However.....I will fault Edd on one other thing I witnessed. Him standing in the ring, talking for over 10 min, with a handler outside the ring, who had in his arms the dog that won BIS the day before and Edd was going to be doing BIS that day. They might have been talking about the weather for all I know, but it is one of those situations, that gives a very bad impression for all the OH out there who struggle with Politics. Handler and judge both should have known better. Regardless....Edd always gets an entry from me | ||||||||
| Aug 16, 2013 | anon | poms | ||||||
| Contrary to reputation he will consider a nice pom in puppy coat for a win. May have some political leanings in this breed but can and does put up owner/handlers, including in group sometimes. Sometimes gives out advice or reprimands but if you are pleasant and accept the advice/correction it won't be held against you. Keep trimming sensible or if you have a good coat, show it off, but that isn't the only consideration. | ||||||||
| Jul 25, 2013 | 5 | anonymous | Great Dane | |||||
| I found him to be very pleasant and patient. Didn't look at the wrong end of the lead. Put up many OH with a huge entry and a lot of big names in the ring. Likes movement, will do color, but likes them to be marked perfectly. Seemed to be an educator, giving tips as how to make your dog look it's best. I would always show to him. | ||||||||
| May 6, 2013 | 1 | Poodlegirl | Poodle | |||||
| Very political, made a comment to a friend of mine. That he would have put my bitch up as she was really nice. if someone else as in a handler would have been her. | ||||||||
| May 6, 2013 | 1 | Poodlegirl | Poodle | |||||
| Very political, made a comment to a friend of mine. That he would have put my bitch up as she was really nice. if someone else as in a handler would have been showing her | ||||||||
| Feb 10, 2013 | Sherry Anderson | vizsla | ||||||
| likes good movement | ||||||||
| Jan 15, 2013 | 5 | anon | working | |||||
| wants a well-run ring, takes his judging seriously. Seems stern, but does have a sense of humor. He looks for good movement and really does want the dog to behave. | ||||||||
| Jul 11, 2012 | 5 | Elaine Summerhill | Greyhounds | Expert! | ||||
| We were excused by Mr. Bivin at the Albuquerque shows in May 2012. He was right to excuse us as he detected a gimp in my dogs gait. When asked about it, he explained that the limp was in the left rear and that it is better to excuse the dog, rather than letting it compete, to prevent any further injury to the dog. He's right! I watched his selections and he did a good job in greyhounds. **Update 2017 - Recently showed my bitch to him. She's not keen on having her rear examined due to an injury, which made for some interesting moments in the judging. She was fine with his examination of the front, including looking for full dentition in the mouth. She was fine with everything up until the rear. He worked with her, even if he was a bit impatient with her antics (and I don't blame him). He recommended I teach her a stay command. He really is a good judge and a good dogman. | ||||||||
| Apr 9, 2012 | 1 | Iggie Observer | Italian Greyhounds... | |||||
| He has this jacked up way of placing the dog on the table. Fully 99.9% of the judges want an IG stacked on the table so they can see a nice silhouette. He has them on the table so he can see the front. Okay he can see the silhouette looking down on them when they are on the floor? IT IS A SILHOUETTE breed. He might know this (he does know a lot) however, it doesn't give someone confidence he knows IGs. I think I will pass. WAIT!!! I just read here "I disagreed with some of his interpretation of the fine points of type in my breed, but he had valid reasons for his choices" Fine points of type? How do you know which fine points he based his decision on? List those points here so we believe you. Valid reasons? What valid reasons? He gave you reasons? Did I miss his oral critique? YOU WISH! Frankly, reading his "positive" reviews they smell of science fiction. | ||||||||
| Apr 4, 2012 | 1 | anonymous | working | |||||
| He may know the breed but personality stinks along with being rude to his exhibitors. I was standing outside the ring watching Mr Bivin and definitely a judge I will not show under. The attitude he displayed is not my idea of a good judge. The exhibitors are paying him for his opinion of their dog - not his attitude! If his back aches and his feet hurt, maybe he should stay home next wkend. | ||||||||
| Jan 7, 2012 | 5 | Kass Goulding | flat-coated retriever | |||||
| Mr Bivin was a true joy to show to. As a breeder, I disagreed with some of his interpretation of the fine points of type in my breed, but he had valid reasons for his choices and was excellent with the youngsters - patient, and appreciative of the character of my breed. He also made sure that people understood his choices with a comment or 2. Whether one agrees with his winners or not, this is a helpful quality - no more wondering "what didn't he like about *my* dog?". | ||||||||
| Dec 29, 2011 | 4 | ChriMaso | Boston Terriers | Expert! | ||||
| Mr. Bivin recently filled in for a judge who was unable to make her assignment. I have shown to him several times and will continue to show to him. Although his entry wasn't large, he put up deserving dogs. He was pleasant and consistent. I have found he likes a sound, over all typey exhibit and doesn't not have a preference towards pro handlers (at least not in my breed). However, he is definitely a Mr. No Nonsense judge. He takes judging very seriously and wants to make sure the spectators can see the judging. I have great respect for Mr. Bivin and welcome his advice and no nonsense judging. | ||||||||
| Dec 16, 2011 | 1 | Jason F. | Italian Grey & Whippets | |||||
| Edd used to be a respected Judge by me; recently I attended a show w/Edd judging, Edd had already decided who his winners were BEFORE we entered the ring! Edd didn't even bother to look at my dog except for a VERY brief once over on the table. Time for old Edd to retire! Edd is on my DNS list as his heart is definitely not into finding the best dog anymore. | ||||||||
| Oct 21, 2011 | 1 | anonymous | WHIPPET | |||||
| Not one single person in my breed ever remembers his attending any judges education at all. Yet, somehow he is provisional for the breed -- and believe me, he could use some education! Again, when it comes to judging approval, it isn't what you know - but who you know. | ||||||||
| Oct 8, 2011 | 1 | anonymous | working breed | |||||
| Guess you get to judge breeds you have never judged before when you held an office with AKC. PIcks handlers, friends, doesn't know a breed standard of breed he's judging. DNS list | ||||||||
| Sep 18, 2011 | 2 | ano | Herding | |||||
| Makes useless suggestions and made a comment that food for the dog is a distraction. I was baiting my puppy during the exam. | ||||||||
| Sep 4, 2011 | 2 | anonymous | Scottish Terrier | |||||
| Goes over every inch of the dog with heavy hands and mashes around I think maybe to get a reaction. Will never take a puppy to him again. | ||||||||
| Jul 15, 2011 | 2 | Dalmatian | ||||||
| I have respect for this judge's knowledge but he is unnecessarily heavy handed. I am worried that my - previously happy rock-solid - bitch is ruined after her experience with him. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior from a judge. I don't care how good he is. Apparently he was this way with all the dogs today (and yesterday). In the end, in our breed, he put up another Texan even though all the dogs were shaken by his behavior. Imagine that. Two strikes! | ||||||||
| May 9, 2011 | 4 | Anonymous | Working | |||||
| Very professional and not at all condescending. Offered ideas to make my dog show at his very best, I found him to be very pleasant to show too... And this is from an Amateur Owner Handler, showing in Group for the First Time. | ||||||||
| Apr 24, 2011 | anonymous long time exhibitor | English Cocker Spaniel | ||||||
| Very RUDE condescending to newer exhibitor. Takes pleasure in embarrassing people in the ring. Will not recommend or show to this man. We do not need this kind of mean people in our sport. | ||||||||
| Feb 23, 2011 | 1 | anonymous | terriers | |||||
| Still in shock over 2 of his group placements at Westminster. I'd heard rumors beforehand that it was all prearranged, & normally i dismiss that sort of talk as idle gossip or sour grapes. But now I'm not so sure. | ||||||||
| Dec 27, 2010 | anonymous | toys | ||||||
| I have given this judge several chances after hearing all the praise and what a wonderful judge he is, and everytime I am left feeling the same way, WHAT A JERK, he is overly confident, rude, and darn right nasty to certain people, he takes pure joy in embarassing people. It's really ashame, i believe he is a very knowledgable man but I for one would never want to be in his ring. | ||||||||
| Dec 25, 2010 | 4 | Vizsla & Berner Breeder | Vizsla & Bernese Mountain Dogs | Expert! | ||||
| Edd knows what he is looking for, although I've disagreed with him on several occasions, he has his reasons. I have found him to be very consistent over the years. He gave our specials bitch, whom he had given a major to as a puppy, a Select win in a large entry after giving her full sister BOW and her son WD. It was the 9 month old male's first dog show and Edd was firm with him, but excellent with him. He talked to us after pictures for a long time about our entries and what Vizslas are supposed to be. I agreed completely with his reasoning although disagreed with his BOB pick. He picked the BOB because the exhibit had one very correct feature--but overall was poor quality. | ||||||||
| Nov 1, 2010 | 5 | anon | working | |||||
| I have to disagree with some of the posters about his treatment of exhibitors, he was very patient and courteous with a novice handler & awarded them BOS. Understood our standard & was aware of and articulated nuances that other judges find challenging to recognize. When in doubt he referenced his standard on the judges table - very refreshing in this low number breed to find a judge that takes that extra step to ensure he is getting it right. | ||||||||
| May 25, 2010 | 5 | Gumbo | Boston Terrier | |||||
| LOVE THIS JUDGE! Knows the standard and judges by it. Expects you to be your best; which inspires you to be better. Don't bring him a "fat" dog. Focuses hard on movement and overall struture. Very well spoken and inspirational. Always a pleasure to show to. | ||||||||
| Apr 29, 2010 | Tracy Burdick | Papillon | Expert! | |||||
| Very fussy about correct coat texture and will pick through the coat for a long time, looking for undercoat. Likes a pretty head and I've seen him ask Pap exhibitors to pick up their dogs and hold them in their arms so he can re-examine heads from all angles. | ||||||||
| Feb 7, 2010 | 1 | kismet | english springers | Expert! | ||||
| very rude to show to. he browbeat one owner giving her a handling lesson in the ring. arrogant and not a good judge - did not put up the dog who was the obvious winner because he "didn't use his tail". the tail was held straight off the back, as it should have been! On my Do-not-show list! | ||||||||
| Feb 6, 2010 | 4 | Carol Dry | MinPin | Expert! | ||||
| Mr Bivin is an icon and he knows it. He expects nothing but the very best and if that isnt good enough for him then he will let you know it, no matter who is around. He can be very very hard on a new exhibitor, and on new puppies as well. HOWEVER, he is a heck of a judge when it comes to knowing his breeds. If you can stand his "handling Lessons", he will judge the dog and do it well | ||||||||
| Oct 19, 2009 | 3 | Adrienne Freyer | Komondor & Vizslas | Expert! | ||||
| Heavy handed with the dogs. Decent with puppies, but constantly critiques handlers on their handling. Very political in groups. I agree with previous comments, has gotten even more arrogant over the past 10 years. | ||||||||
| Jul 24, 2009 | 2 | Lynn Knapp | Min Pin, IG, Crested | Expert! | ||||
| I think all the praise he has gotten over the years inflated his head. He seems to have a good understanding of the standards but, he also tends to think it is up to him to change them while he is judging. What I mean is, he will take the standard to an extreme one way or the other and then give the "breeders" lessons on what they need or should do. To me, that's like reading a book on building a space shuttle, passing a written test and then trying to build one on your own...anyone want to fly into space on that shuttle??? | ||||||||
| Jun 30, 2009 | 5 | anonymous | Boston Terrier | |||||
| Knows the breed standard and will judge the dog, not who is handling it. Would definitley show to him again! | ||||||||
| Jul 19, 2008 | Andrea | Siberian | Expert! | |||||
| One of my favorite judges. Yes, he is all business, but he is doing his job. VERY knowledgeable with a great understanding of correct movement. | ||||||||
| May 14, 2008 | Aldendale ESS | ESS | ||||||
| Mr. Bivin seems to like pretty heads. I've watched him judge many times, at breed (many breeds), group and BIS levels. Contrary to other comments, he was nice to exhibitors in the ring and did give tips to the novice handlers that looked like they appreciated his help. | ||||||||
| Apr 23, 2008 | 4 | Annette Gilliam | Parson Russell Terriers | |||||
| This is one of the few judges of our breed that actually knows what our breed is suppose to be. I respect his opinion and would show to him any day. | ||||||||
| Feb 23, 2008 | 4 | Carol Dry | Miniature Pinscher | Expert! | ||||
| I have been showing dogs for 20 years and everytime I hear this man is judging my breed I get as nervous as a newbie. There is no reason for any judge to make Exhibitors feel as though they are complete morons. He wants each dog AND handler to be perfect and if you arent he loves to give you a handling lesson right there in the ring in front of God and everyone. He actaully doesnt do a bad job picking his winners, IF you can stand the emabarassment of the handling lesson. | ||||||||
| Feb 14, 2008 | 5 | Karen Mather | papillon | |||||
| I showed under Judge Edd Bivin. I watched him show other dogs before we showed. I saw him show a junior with a Shiba Inu. He spoke to her for quite a while about presentation, and from the smile on her face, she learned from him, and was grateful, it was nice to see. I am an unknown, and he gave me Winners Dog in 12-18 mo. When we took our winning photo, he was kind, and explained what he thought of my dog, and my handling. I appreciate the time he took with me. His examination was so thorough, it was nice to see a judge who examines the things that matter, and know what they are doing. I do have such respect for him as a judge, it was such an honor to win under him. There is an interview with him on Pomerania's, his original breed. He explains to the interviewer when asked how he has a reputation for being hard on a newbie. He wants them to learn to show their best, I like that. | ||||||||
| Feb 5, 2008 | 1 | anonymous | breeds in all groups | Expert! | ||||
| Was very impressed with him back in the 60's. Unfortunately the fame has gone to his head. Believes he has replaced Annie now that she is gone. NO WAY Gets carried away with things and has forgotten how to treat novices. | ||||||||
| Jan 21, 2008 | Kristi - Bellagio Igs | Italian Greyhound | ||||||
| I think you either love or hate EB. I think that it's important to be prepared and have your dog prepared to show to him. I believe that he likes a pretty dog who is sound. He seems to look at the overall dog and has a set of prioities in mind and sticks to them time after time. He is dependable. I appreciate how he judges my breed. | ||||||||
| Jan 13, 2008 | 3 | Joseph B Gentzel | Great Pyrenees | Expert! | ||||
| Very professional experienced judge who is very business like. Can get lost head hunting and exclude some pretty bad faults in favor, but at least he is looking for the elegance the breed must have. Would always show to him. | ||||||||
| Nov 9, 2007 | 4 | Diane Stille | Bedlington Terrier | Expert! | ||||
| I believe Mr. Biven gives each entry a fair shake - but would agree that he is all business in the ring. I remember years ago, he gave a bitch I was showing the breed over my special. He must have seen the look of astonishment on my face, but afterwards, without prompting, proceeded to tell me EXACTLY why he made the placements he did. (and his comments were dead-on) | ||||||||
| Aug 29, 2007 | 3 | Amron | Silky Terriers | Expert! | ||||
| Not a judge for newcomers. I use to admire his judging but of late seems to be off? | ||||||||
| Aug 24, 2007 | 5 | WOW Pomz & Pinz | various Toy Breeds | Expert! | ||||
| Knows his standards and dogs. He is all business in the ring and if you present him a well behaved, expertly groomed, sound typey dog you can't go wrong. He is rough on newcomers that are still in over their heads a little. Either forgets everyone has to start sometime or thinks they need to stay in handling classes and fun matches until they are at a more expert level. He loves to teach and has a lot to share when approached correctly and at the proper time. Wins under him mean a lot and I greatly admire him. Showing in his ring isn't for the faint of heart! | ||||||||
| Jun 20, 2007 | 1 | redstaff | Staffies | |||||
| I have shown to him several times, some wins some not. Very serious in the ring. Know how to present your entry. He seems to think it is acceptable to lecture handlers on things about their dogs he shouldnt. Very arrogant. Not correct on what he lectures about in several recent instances. I'm done with this one. Until he deflates his ego a few notches not worth getting his opinion on my dogs. Would never send a newbie to him either. He told a recent person new to showing that her dog looked starved to death and asked what she feeds - her dog is in excellent condition btw - she ended up in tears and doubting her self. ***UPDATE** Well we waited 8 years and gave Mr Bivin one last try. What a waste of time. He found a black and tan marked dog for WD and crossed over the only bitch - both got majors. Both had some major faults besides the male being marked in a DQ color. Yes, it was faint, but visible. For BOB he had a nice selection to choose from and he made his choice based only upon a dog who carried his tail lower than the rest. Thats it for us. He simply does NOT know our breed but he thinks he does. There were some gorgeous examples in front of him today. He never found them. | ||||||||
| Jun 14, 2007 | anonymous | Pomeranians | ||||||
| Have seen this man send newcomers out of the ring in tears for foolish reasons. Obviously thinks VERY highly of himself and can be extremely rude to exhibitors. Although I have won under him several times in the past with big wins, I refuse to give this man another entry. He pays much more attention to the human end of the lead now. | ||||||||
| Mar 13, 2007 | keymaster | Great Danes | ||||||
| Be prepared to present your entry, know the gaiting pattern, be polite. This judge has always liked and put up my sound, well-moving, owner-handled, natural ear dogs. He's always been polite, if businesslike in the ring. I feel he goes over my dogs in the normal way. I will travel far and wide to bring my dogs to this judge. I am a complete nobody, so he's definitely not looking at my end of the lead! | ||||||||
| Mar 1, 2007 | anonymous | toys/nonsporting | ||||||
| I have shown to this judge with both a toy and nonsporting, I think he can be really scarry ti newcomers, does not allow that some people have to learn and sending them out of the ring for lack of presentation did not seem good to me.This was years ago. | ||||||||
| Jan 29, 2007 | 1 | Rockland | Chows | |||||
| Over reacts, does not approch the exibit properly. Looks to the wrong end of the leash. Tends to be heavy handed with young entries. | ||||||||
| Jan 4, 2007 | Dawn Thompson | |||||||
| Has put up natural eared Danes. | ||||||||
| Jan 1, 2007 | 5 | French Bulldogs | ||||||
| Definitely knows the breed. Does not like long or tall Frenchies... | ||||||||
| Dec 14, 2006 | 4 | Anonymous | Setters | |||||
| I like Edd - it is Irene I would not show to | ||||||||
| Dec 11, 2006 | 1 | |||||||
| They say he used to be a good judge but you wouldn't know it now | ||||||||
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